Already this war on gangs in California is taking money from universities to build prisons, and the universities have some clout.

I've written a book on gangs, taught a course on gangs at Occidental.

There is no role in a war unless the parties are exhausted. These parties are not exhausted. They are still on a triumphal path. They are not on a coalition path. It's an either/or death struggle. They don't understand that the death is ongoing right now and could take several cycles for the corpse to be autopsied. I hope you use this - this should put your paper on the map. Everybody should read it.

There has to be an inner peace process that treats gang members like traumatized war victims who lack counseling, jobs, and respect. A lot of that has got to be self-administered in affinity groups, counseling groups, in jail and out of jail, with resources and professional help.

Prisons in Florence, Ariz., go hand in hand,

I didn't have any idea what happened to Ivory. I assumed he went back to California.