At the time of Polaroid - and I did a couple of other commercials just before I stopped doing that stuff - at that point I was at the level where they respect you and your opinion and all that sort of thing.

I did a couple of American Express commercials.

Yeah, I think we did the term Muppets before we got the show Sam and Friends - a few months after I started working.

I do remember doing shows strictly in black and white, too, so you're right.

Actually the copies of characters is something I don't particularly like to talk about in articles but just for your information, most characters there's only one.

Yeah, I did some small parts in high school and the first year of college and then fairly soon thereafter I settled into the backstage scenery, and then at the University of Maryland I was doing posters for their productions.