For Jeff to catapult to the next level, it's not enough to beat Scott Pemberton and that ilk. He has to do it Saturday.

Arnaud had that guy beat. Had he not cramped up, Arnaud would have won the match. He was mentally tougher and playing more disciplined than his opponent. He broke his opponent's game down and slowed it down, but he cramped up and that really limited him.

We're just trying to get to the next level.

This is the costume everybody's going to try to beat next year.

For us, we are moving a company that has been around for 137 years to the next level so that we can be there for the next 137 years.

We want to see what's out there and is it worthwhile to take anything to the next level of funding.