Fowler Park is already more than $6,200 below last year.

We've repaired the cracks and they keep cracking.

We've got to do something. Fowler Park has the Pioneer Village and camping on the lake, which was its drawing card. Now it's not. If you watch most campers today, they have modern, up-to-date equipment. It's not bringing a tent and roughing it. Prairie Creek with electrical hookups has no primitive sites, like Fowler or Hawthorn.

I think people who visit parks want up-to-date facilities. If they don't find that, they go someplace else. That, I think, is why I am seeing more people going to Prairie Creek Park.

You just have to find a lawyer that won't let you sign certain things - and I mean the fine print, because I was gone from Phil Spector and signed with Gamble and Huff in Philadelphia, and Phil bought my record contract back from them.

There's no land up there. It's all ice. Submarines go under there all the time.