Hawaii is an amazing place for looking at the intersection of ecology and culture.

You get to know each other very well.

We're basically educating people to go out and do what they can for the environment and the people who live in the environment. We visit people. We visit places that have natural -history.

To reverse the effects of civilization would destroy the dreams of a lot of people. There's no way around it. We can talk all we want about sustainability, but there's a sense in which it doesn't matter that these people's dreams are based on, embedded in, intertwined with, and formed by an inherently destructive economic and social system. Their dreams are still their dreams. What right do I -- or does anyone else -- have to destroy them.

At the same time, what right do they have to destroy the world?

Having a place means that you know what a place means...what it means in a storied sense of myth, character and presence but also in an ecological sense...Integrating native consciousness with mythic consciousness

Human use, population, and technology have reached that certain stage where mother Earth no longer accepts our presence with silence.