He goes back and plays the same markets repeatedly and just develops a good, loyal following. It's an organic development, not based on MTV or radio hype, and that's the best kind of artist development.

I'm very honoured that there is a loyal following and I hope it continues.

Even though the Swans have been there for over 20 years now and really built up a loyal following, AFL on television does not attract the sort of audiences we would like, ... We would just have got killed if we went in any earlier. We are putting it on at 10pm, which is not what I would call late, but we would get hammered if we put it on live.

The stigma of playing in casinos is long gone. They've improved over the years.

You're not getting (Madonna), but Fresno is. It shocked me as much as anybody.

These older acts are the gravy train, but someday that train is not going to run anymore, and no one really knows what to do when they're gone. Of the young acts, you have someone like Coldplay who does quite well, but where will it be in 10 years? That's hard to say.