I don't think he's going in there with the attitude of an old-school politician. I think he's getting advice that this isn't the job it used to be.

If there is no question as to the legitimacy and legality of their operation, then everything ought to be on the table for the media and anyone else to look at.

He himself ought to make a statement and come to the forefront and talk to you in person or with any of the media and say here's our books, they're open, they're on the table. You guys can peruse the books and examine them for whatever you think there is there. There's nothing to hide. Here they are.

He's the one guy who, among modern vice presidents, is so aloof and so remote from ever making public statements and being in the public eye, even in a functionary capacity.

We were a bit over confident and we can't afford to show an attitude like that. We were lucky to get the equalizer when we did.

The school has totally changed its attitude toward a lot of things. It's not been easy.