I don't think this began as a violent confrontation between the two. I think this began as a conversation between the two that escalated.

This conversation was spontaneous. There certainly was no script. It was not even particularly coherent.

You have to, that was a conversation between Mike and I, that we had to make the money work for both. You still have to try and get what fits your team but you have to make the money work on both sides.

My concern is that (impact fees) not be a hindrance to our efforts with economic development.

It's fragile. I mean, it's really, really fragile and every single day is a blessing for all of us.

I can put my legs behind my head, but that's pretty much it. An early agent said to me, 'If you can put your legs behind your head, let's say you're a contortionist!' So I got sent out for everything twisty and bendy. It's a good conversation starter.