I made a lot of lumber out of the Bishop pines and Douglas fir,

A Douglas fir, when it dies, hosts thousands of species.

If we take one away, the other pines.

The beams of our house are cedar, and our rafters of fir.

I never hit lumber into No. 4, that's different.

84 Lumber had the connections and set everything up, ... We didn't have to do anything but show up.