I mean, we've had all these awful pictures from the prison in Iraq and these sort of memos floating around about justifying torture, all this kind of stuff. And it makes you want to take a shower, you know?

I mean, we've had all these awful pictures from the prison in Iraq and these sort of memos floating around about justifying torture, all this kind of stuff. And it makes you want to take a shower, you know?

I have to say that flying on Air Force One sort of spoils you for coach on a regular airline.

I know from experience it's very hard to get access to a prison to take pictures.

Maureen was, let's see, nearly 20 years older than me. So, you know, we didn't kind of grow up together so much but we got along fine.

I mean, we sit around and we go, you know, 'Torture doesn't work.' Well, it's been around for 5,000 years. Most stuff that doesn't work goes the way of the dodo pretty quick, like waterbeds and 8-tracks and things like that.