I think it's one of President Bush's major failings as president, and I think it symbolizes a very disturbing approach to governing.

You can't say you're embarrassed because they're major-league players as well. It's just one of those things you can't explain. They've played better than us. They deserved to beat us. They've played better in almost every area of the game.

It was very embarrassing for the president of China to have to withstand that. This is the one thing they put the most effort into - the pageantry was set. They had to be mortified.

Is there one image, ... that symbolizes to you the dimension of what happened?

It was one of those days. You can be a quarterback or a kicker or a major-league pitcher. Those are guys that just have bad days.

On the one hand, I think it's really disturbing to have the FBI come knocking at your door, demanding to look at things you've been reading. It smacks of a Gestapo state. On the other hand, it's so heavy handed to be almost ludicrous.