I used to think like Moses. That knocked me down for a couple years and put me in prison. Then I start thinking like Job. Job waited and became the wealthiest and richest man ever 'cause he believed in God.

I've been knocked down a lot of times.

I started Michael years ago. I saw him in Gary, Indiana, and we'd have him on the talent shows. He kind of emulated me, and did the best he could.

I don't think our thinking caps were on to start. We took a couple dumb penalties and with their power play they make you pay. All of a sudden it's 3-0.

My process is really quite organic, and starting a painting is one of the best parts for me. I always start in quite a loose and free way. I often put down one ground colour to begin with and then play off that.

Michael Jackson has a very good heart. He was crying when he was giving me the award, 'cause his mind went back over the early days.