If Madrid does not want an accord, and the majority of Catalans want an independent state, how can you avoid that?

There is no button that you push and the next day you become independent.

It is crucial that there is a government in Madrid secure enough to engage with Catalonia politically rather than continue the denial and legal obstructionism of the Rajoy years.

We must have serious dialogue between Catalonia and the Spanish state on a referendum, on independence, and on how a separation from Spain - if that's what the Catalan people choose - would be accomplished.

If you're hungry, you know that you want to eat. You don't know what's on the menu - perhaps it's not your favorite dish - but you will eat.

The alternative to independence is decline, because the relationship with the Spanish state is not good; everyone knows that.