I'll do a bit in the program about Mary Colter. It was very difficult for her, as an architect, to be in a man's world and be the boss. But she was a strong woman and told them what to do and when to do it.

In October, a bunch of us are hiking across the Grand Canyon. This will be my 10th time.

'Mary Tyler Moore' was - it was my first big hit.

It was very, very difficult for a program that was so competitive at the national level to look like it was going toward extinction. The lifeblood of a Division III program is having kids. We don't have athletic scholarships where you can replace players very easily. When those numbers dwindle down, you start worrying about whether you can field a team.

They allow you to hopefully enrich your program a little bit,

It's difficult to be an advocate because it (the program) is so confusing - we're afraid we'll give misinformation.