I'm really getting burned out on this hippie thing. The stigma of that is wrong; we're catering to all crowds that like live music.

We're bringing live music back to Mill Avenue. We're doing live music every night of the week.

With the light-rail going in right next to us and all the development around, it makes our land a hot spot. You can't really stand in the way of it.

I didn't want him around the bad crowds.

I, like many others, got away from the traffic and the crowds and liked it. There was so much public land for camping or recreation, and my family wanted to stay here.

All the ballparks and the big crowds have a certain mystique. You feel attached, permanently wedded to the sounds that ring out, to the fans chanting your name, even when there are only four or five thousand in the stands on a Wednesday afternoon.