I'm trying to keep it where I'm not moralistic. I'm just trying to be fair.

I'm just trying to understand how you think,

States are seriously trying to game this system.

And it's not slowing down. Even when you get warm weather like we've had, they're still trying to pay the bills from last month.

I'm trying to see your feelings as a man, ... I'm not asking you for a legal view.

If it's successful and people are interested, the unions will be able to request it.