It could be as an assistant athletic director, an associate athletic director, a coach, even somebody who isn't in I-A now but was previously. The Division I-A world is different than everywhere else.

Let the assistant coach come up to me and say, 'Gerry McNamara is overrated.' I'd like to see one of those guys come up to me and say that. He's been double-teamed all year, and the coaches voted him first team all-conference. The head coaches, they don't know (expletive), I guess.

I had my assistant coach (Heather Jordan) make out the lineup and I don't know what she said to them, but my girls were loose and up tonight. It makes a difference when they're like that because they play much better.

We approached (PLU athletic director Laurie Turner) about it and she was for it. It's good for each of our programs.

I was a director and dialogue and acting coach.

I remember one time (Ozark assistant) coach (Kevin) Armstrong was going to take me to a tryout for a coach at a college in Iowa and I spent the entire weekend partying. I was just feeling dead and terrible and called him up and cancelled the trip. I just think back to how stupid I was to take away all of those chances I had.