It removes the preacher from the community, ... and I've got some problem with that. Ministry requires an ongoing dialogue with the community.

Probably after Vietnam and Watergate, there was an increasing distrust of institutions, so that Jesus was still in, but the institutional church was no longer an attraction. So, I think that the dropping of the denominational label is to become more generic, less of a threat, less of a reminder of negative stereotypes if you've walked away from church.

I think what we are seeing is the detribalizing of Protestantism, in that if you have a large external constituency, which would identify culturally or historically with a particular denomination, then obviously it's a plus factor to have that identification,

You've got to find ways of being heard within that context, ... But we shouldn't get angry or try to reclaim the past.

The idea that you are at the centre of society, you're a foundational institution, there's been a move away from that, ... I think the church is struggling to regain that, which in my personal view, ain't gonna happen.

The Seattle film community is at a grass-roots level. Large film communities used to be small ones. The industry has to be created here.