It's interesting, because in the corporate stuff there's a dichotomy there, depending on the creator. Even what, in essence, may be a very safe corporate approach, there is some stuff that is allowed to be pushed.

So there's kind of a simultaneous aspect to pushing the boundaries, and being very safe.

I wanted to be complete, because I figured that, visually, there was an avenue to explore with painted stuff.

To me, that's one of the things that I love about doing this stuff. One day I can work on this piece in watercolor, and then work on something else on the computer, or work on something else that's a completely different approach.

So I look at a lot of stuff now that I did and some of it looks tame to me, but my interest in terms of what I want to say with it is a little different.

I want to say 90% of stuff out there is just crap that got made. The main point is that it got produced.