It's been pretty well coordinated among the centers. It appears to provide for a smooth transition.

It has several elements to it. One is to say that the people who did Apollo were pretty smart,

We'd all been lulled into believing the emperor had clothes on when indeed he was naked. The problems had been there to be seen. All of us close to the program didn't want to see them.

The fact that it comes at a particularly inopportune moment is unfortunate, but either we are serious about long-term commitments like this or not. Nobody is asking for more money. Apollo was done as a warlike mobilization of national resources and there's no reason to do that now.

Of course, Pol Pot in Cambodia, Rwanda -- things on a much larger scale than this. But this is pretty bad.

It's gotten pretty tight over the last week, especially in Southern California. There's been a huge volume of cargo coming in.