It's important to understand the formula under which your benefits would be calculated.

We want to see the formula so we can understand it. If we second-guess it and get it wrong it could derail our entire submission.

I'm mischievous, but I'm calculated.

I call it calculated blandness,

We have great seniors. And had a lot of support from their families. We traveled all over Colorado and New Mexico, it seems like forever. The families, my wife and kids, everybody's been great.

That was the point, we wanted to win convincingly.