It's not just talking about science, but actually doing science. We do simulations in the classroom, but this is doing it with a real purpose in the community.

Instead of sitting in a classroom here on this very elite campus and talking about liberation and anti-colonial and anti-empire theology and black theology and feminist theology, let's give students the opportunity to be in a place where those issues are the daily life of the people. So now they're not just studying about these people. They're studying with them.

Hands-on is way better than sitting in a classroom and talking about it.

I'm not talking to you today,

Everybody's talking about 'bungs' but can anybody actually show me if it's real or not. There's a lot of suspicion, but is it right? Give me some evidence, we'll look at it. Richard Scudamore [the Premier League chief executive] will have the best mind to look into it.

They've given a green light to any creationist throughout the state to bring these issues into the classroom. Science teachers are not prepared for that discussion and don't want it, because they've got plenty of science to teach.