It's the spawning season, it's easier to catch them. A lot of the guys can actually see them on their nest and you flip them into their breeding grounds.

If they don't win money, they still might win a nice dinner for on the way home.

Some guys will cast a plastic worm out there and hold it. But I like to keep moving.

Kevin knew quite a bit and he got me into more and more. I liked it and I got to be pretty decent.

It's just for amateurs, but we can make a little money.

Yeah, it makes it a little easier to follow those guys. But you know, those guys had to be the leaders -- they were superstars. I'm not. I'm never going to be. There's about a 99 percent chance my jersey will never be hung in the rafters. I'm just an older guy who's been around, seen how things work, so when I do something or say something, I guess that's being a leader. I'm old, I think that's what makes you the leader.