My goal has always been to make a living and to have the respect of my peers. It's never been about stardom. It's about a good and challenging part.

Phil paid such respect to him. They have a special history. There was mutual admiration.

The Last Night of Ballyhoo.

As much angst as Phil undoubtedly shouldered, he protected us from that. And you could always tell (when) Phil liked what you did, because he'd sort of skip over to you and cheer you on.

I make a good living and I've never looked at myself as being an artiste.

Money and good life had never been my goal.