Nine years ago you would never have heard of this. We have no empirical data, but you go to a conference and you hear people talking about this more and more. I'd say the numbers have probably increased dramatically.

There is no empirical data of which I am aware that says one way or the other we yield credible information from acts of torture. However, coming out of Vietnam, we do have some anecdotal evidence that people will say anything to stop pain.

Back Home in Indiana.

You should have heard him 10 minutes ago.

When I came down to St. Croix to see Timmy eight or nine years ago, nobody said a word to me (about driving on the left side). I got my rental car and I went out on the road, and I was gesticulating at like 10 people before I realized I was the jerk.

When I came down to St. Croix to see Timmy eight or nine years ago, nobody said a word to me (about driving on the left side), ... I got my rental car and I went out on the road, and I was gesticulating at like 10 people before I realized I was the jerk.