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Related Post-operatively the transplanted kidney functioned immediately with a dramatic improvement in the p... JOE MURRAY In this cluster of three confirmed cases of West Nile virus infection, with the possibility that the... JAMES HUGHES ROBERT MONTGOMERY Patients who received double kidney transplants had similar short-term outcomes to patients who rece... ROBERT STRATTA This event appears to involve an individual who received a liver that was designated for transplanta... GUS VALDESPINO Diuretics are effective, easy to administer and inexpensive. Excessive use of diuretics provokes ren... CLYDE W. YANCY DONALD JOHANSON RON DESANTIS I like to open for a band as it brings on sort of a challenge and it makes things more interesting. ... KELLY JONES DEYTH BANGER OSCAR WILDE I had worked on dogs for a couple of years developing a renal transplant operation. We had dogs runn... JOE MURRAY When a patient does get an organ from another person, it comes from a different body. It has differe... ANTHONY ATALA TAMMARA WEBBER FRANCINE RIVERS We found that success involved much more than skilled individual doctors and nurses. What distinguis... ELIZABETH BRADLEY RAY A. DAVIS LOIS LOWRY FRANCINE RIVERS FRANCINE RIVERS TOM REISS We've been very patient over the years but this is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to reset the... JAY WEATHERILL IVAN REITMAN E.M. FORSTER I tell residents, if you gave me two patients with identical problems, and one of them had family at... ALLAN HAMILTON Theoretically, with this antifreeze protein we might be able to store an organ at 21 degrees Fahrenh... LAURIE GRAHAM BILL GATES Life is a divine blessing for those who live life to add values in the lives of others. SEEMA BRAIN OPENERS Slums could be thought of as the development of a special organ, or they could be thought of as a tu... GEOFFREY WEST OWAIN YEOMAN Theoretically, with this antifreeze protein we might be able to store an organ at minus 6 degrees (2... LAURIE GRAHAM Ultimately, if this holds true for the whole study, the HBS solution could be very beneficial for hu... DAVID WINTER The numbers show a dramatic improvement. DAN BARWICK Dive into the river of the present, but don't thrash about, go with the flow. JIM GENOVESE A.A. MILNE A.A. MILNE JANE MCGONIGAL We begin to fight. The wind and I. Horns locked. Battling each other with elements. LAURA DOCKRILL FABRIZIO MOREIRA LOUISE SLAUGHTER YUVRAJ SINGH JAACHYNMA N.E. AGU SHANNON L. ALDER I'm aware that success can overwhelm you. The perception of you can be elevated to such a status... CHRIS OFILI This is incredible work here. There is so much to be done and the need is so dramatic. ... I felt th... DR. DENNIS PENZELL I stare out the window and reflect on the similarity between writing and saving a life and the inevi... MIRIAM TOEWS As a child, I had no interest in science whatsoever - then I started writing and recognized how rele... LEE GUTKIND ARUNDHATI ROY It might even teach Murray that while finding true love was one of the most wonderful things that co... FéLIX J. PALMA Imagine life as a game, a game that is filled with obstacles and hazards to overcome but sometimes y... GARY F EVANS... As a teacher, your job is to motivate your unmotivated student. This is how you shape the future SOTONYE ANGA The most powerful ability that you have is the ability to visualize and see your goals .Create a cle... DR ANIL KUMAR SINHA Terri was almost a week into her death process, ... The doctors have said that introducing hydration... GEORGE FELOS BLAKE SHELTON ERNEST AGYEMANG YEBOAH Last year alone, some 500 new cases of chronic kidney failures were diagnosed, and if the trend cont... DR NEIL BHAGWANDASS Sometimes things aren't clear right away. That's where you need to be patient and persevere ... MARY PIERCE Few drugs are as immediately effective for heart failure as diuretics. Any patient in whom these dru... CLYDE W. YANCY DONELLA MEADOWS With the dramatic canvas, I found you could still operate with the documentarist's observational... PAUL GREENGRASS JACK MA Organ donation is very personal to me. My mother, before her death, was on kidney dialysis for sever... JOHN PEREZ C. JOYBELL C. الجمعة ليس يوم عطلة أيها الدكتاتور. إنهض، استحِمّ، أصب�... مريد البرغوثي MAGGIE GALLAGHER SETTLE and SUCCESS:
Once you settle at lower price, immediately you will settle in life at second pl... DR. SHAILESH THAKER EDMUND WHITE Overall, I see the report in line with the last six months to a year, which I would characterize as ... HARRY HOLZER Don't compare your career to anyone else's. It's tough when you're in a business tha... DANIELLE BROOKS AULIQ ICE JOHN DONNE HENRY JAMES ERALDO BANOVAC TOBA BETA SARAH J. MAAS BRANDON SANDERSON The Queen's Sister is a dramatic gift - a witty and irreverent royal romp. Princess Margaret's life ... FRANCIS HOPKINSON PETER HIGGS There's a fine line between something saving you time and replacing a bit of you that could be u... EMILY BERRINGTON We got this letter on behalf of the Alabama Organ Center that said that josh was a multiple organ do... KAREN BRASWELL We believe that Temple University Health System will emerge with a clear improvement plan in the nex... LIZ SWEENEY People themselves makes a lots of mistakes and still loves himself,
and they never forget a single m... OM BENIWAL You can not change what happened or bring back the past. But you can change the future by being stro... DR ANIL KUMAR SINHA DAREN KAGASOFF Video surveillance is not the best way to observe a patient with a heart problem. This was dealt wit... HANS HOLTHUIS ERNEST AGYEMANG YEBOAH GUY FIERI Is there some lesson on how to be friends?DAVID RAKOFF NANETTE L. AVERY Success breeds conservatism, and that means a love affair with the status quo and an aversion to cha... FRANK POPOFF Never give up on you. In order to make a difference you would have to somehow be different. JOHNNIE DENT JR. MICHAEL J. FOX The biggest challenge that we faced is the dramatic change in status of our partner. The city has ha... BERNIE RONAN What will make you a star is in you SOTONYE ANGA This is a clear demonstration that Mugabe is determined to hang on to power by all means, but mostly... MASIPULA SITHOLE The impressive part was that there was a clear message of urgency, a clear admission that they've lo... HEMANT SHAH WILLIAM SANDERSON There's plenty of money out there. They print more every day. But this ticket, there's only five of ... ROALD DAHL Elias Eave was spectacular tonight. He's really finding a nice rhythm on the block and beginning to ... CHRIS ROCHE CHLOE THURLOW
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JOSEPH MURRAY JOSEPH MURRAY JOSEPH MURRAY JOSEPH MURRAY JOSEPH MURRAY JOSEPH MURRAY JOSEPH MURRAY JOSEPH MURRAY JOSEPH MURRAY JOSEPH MURRAY JOSEPH MURRAY BILL MURRAY I really loved animals when I was little - my friend and I had an imaginary vet's office; we wou... HANNAH MURRAY Like most guys, I've always liked watches. I can always check the time on my phone, but having a... ANDY MURRAY BILL MURRAY Any political party that includes the word 'democratic' in its name, isn't. PATRICK MURRAY The only difference between a dead skunk lying in the road and a dead lawyer lying in the road is th... PATRICK MURRAY I've had bad luck with both my wives. The first one left me and the second one didn't. PATRICK MURRAY A Lawyer will do anything to win a case, sometimes he will even tell the truth. PATRICK MURRAY BILL MURRAY 'Skins' is about a group of teenagers in Bristol, and it's all about what they get up to... HANNAH MURRAY I don't wish I did anything differently. The most important thing to me was to play baseball. EDDIE MURRAY And I tell you that's one of the reasons why I didn't have the friendships with the media, m... EDDIE MURRAY And like I said, I appreciate my older brothers because they would not allow me to win. They made me... EDDIE MURRAY I'm now the hitting the instructor with the Cleveland Indians. EDDIE MURRAY I'm proud to be here as a man that has played first base more than anybody in the game of baseba... EDDIE MURRAY It makes you feel at home when you can talk to somebody and really talk about anything. EDDIE MURRAY Today I join the greatest players that played the game. It is a great feeling being here. EDDIE MURRAY Baseball is a team game. EDDIE MURRAY No one was more important than my mom and dad. I know they are watching from a place up in heaven he... EDDIE MURRAY When I signed a contract, I was here to play 162 games. EDDIE MURRAY And, you know, you try and preach to them there's more to this game than just walking up to home... EDDIE MURRAY For me, baseball is about, again, the team winning. EDDIE MURRAY I learned life from some good teachers. EDDIE MURRAY When Ted Williams was here, inducted into the Hall of Fame 37 years ago, he said he must have earned... EDDIE MURRAY You win as a team, you lose as a team, you also do so many things together. EDDIE MURRAY In fact, in some ways, I actually feel much more confident about the quality of Carousel than I do a... GEORGE MURRAY BILL MURRAY PATTY MURRAY For overall value creation, the place for most value is created in deep water, and the United States... ALAN MURRAY This strengthens our UK business and adds to our growth opportunities in the US. ALAN MURRAY It might have to be pinned, which will prolong the recovery. We hope it won't have to be, but we'll ... ALAN MURRAY That was the first time in recent memory that their estimation tools have not captured what is the c... ALAN MURRAY There's no huge smoking gun here, ALAN MURRAY Kieron is very, very low at the moment because he cannot seem to get a run of games in the team inju... ALAN MURRAY It was a calculated risk to play them. And that cause the Newcastle need to rearrange the new group ... ALAN MURRAY The U.S. economy was on a path to recovery last summer - but it took a turn for the worse after Mr. ... ALAN MURRAY MURRAY KEMPTON Political history is largely an account of mass violence and of the expenditure of vast resources to... MURRAY EDELMAN Was I in a nativity play? I think I was an angel; I was a very blonde child, so I tended to get type... HANNAH MURRAY Marriage should be a duet-when one sings, the other claps. JOE MURRAY ANDREW MURRAY ANDREW MURRAY MURRAY KEMPTON BILL MURRAY JIM MURRAY MURRAY KEMPTON JIM MURRAY BILL MURRAY MURRAY KEMPTON GILBERT MURRAY LES MURRAY MURRAY BOOKCHIN MURRAY BOOKCHIN JIM MURRAY MURRAY ROTHBARD PATTY MURRAY BILL MURRAY MURRAY ROTHBARD BILL MURRAY PATTY MURRAY MURRAY KEMPTON My mother used to sit at the foot of my bed, and she would share her dreams with me. LIZ MURRAY Ignoring is what you are supposed to do with bullies, so they get bored and leave you alone. But the... PAUL MURRAY Life makes fools of all of us sooner or later. But keep your sense of humor and you'll at least be a... PAUL MURRAY MURRAY ROTHBARD MURRAY ROTHBARD MURRAY ROTHBARD This circuit is interesting because it has inclines and declines. Not just up, but down as well. MURRAY WALKER Now he must not go the wrong way round the circuit, and unless he can spin himself stationary throug... MURRAY WALKER I hit my driver perfect and I made a couple of key putts. BEN MURRAY The teams that have beat us out, Santa Margarita and Palm Desert, we beat both this year. Hopefully ... BEN MURRAY It was pretty cool, especially how we won it, tying the first time and winning by one this time. BEN MURRAY You can use it more than one time and just replace the roll when it runs out. It picks up all the ha... BEN MURRAY It's an exciting new frontier as a market and as a medium to showcase these films. BEN MURRAY MURRAY ROTHBARD BILL MURRAY GILBERT MURRAY MURRAY ROTHBARD MURRAY ROTHBARD I like playing against serve-and-volleyers because returning is one of my best things that I do on t... ANDY MURRAY I wasn't feeling that great towards the end of the first set, ANDY MURRAY Tim has been one of the best or most consistent players of the last decade and to win against someon... ANDY MURRAY It's the biggest moment in my life in tennis so far. I got a little too nervous but I managed to com... ANDY MURRAY It's difficult to look at this game. It's totally difficult to see how we played with such a lack of... ANDY MURRAY We certainly had our chances to win the hockey game in the third period and in overtime. ANDY MURRAY They played an intense game, but we certainly had a high intensity level, too. We're disappointed to... ANDY MURRAY You guys are expecting me to win matches like this. The guy is ranked 20 places in front of me, is a... ANDY MURRAY He is all about substance, character and determination. ANDY MURRAY We played solid tonight. We knew the Bruins would be aggressive tonight after their game against San... ANDY MURRAY With 'Carousel' I had an idea and it all came out quickly. GEORGE MURRAY MURRAY ROTHBARD ANDREW MURRAY ANDREW MURRAY ANDREW MURRAY ANDREW MURRAY ANDREW MURRAY ANDREW MURRAY ANDREW MURRAY ANDREW MURRAY ANDREW MURRAY ANDREW MURRAY Weak men cannot handle power. It will either crush them, or they will use it to crush others JOCELYN MURRAY I still have a vivid memory of my excitement when I first saw a chart of the periodic table of eleme... JOE MURRAY Last year, we introduced DING! for Windows and immediately heard from our growing number of Customer... ANNE MURRAY It's been our desire from the first discussion of this product to have a Mac version of [Ding]. ANNE MURRAY If I can make 10 calls to find something out for one person, I don't mind because it saves them from... ANNE MURRAY It's just a wonderful blend of your faith and nursing practice. If you think about your health and y... ANNE MURRAY If he was an employee, we can't take any action, ... If you want to fuss about him being an employee... ANNE MURRAY "I often think that perhaps the reason I became a successful singer was that, as a kid, I could neve... ANNE MURRAY I came to believe...that it is vital to transform the world by changing the way people treat each ot... ANNE MURRAY That belt got loose. That buckle (mark) lasted until December. He whipped first and talked later. ANNE MURRAY About 75 miles east of Boston they started getting smoke in the cockpit. ARLENE MURRAY The New York-New Jersey metro area is a very busy airspace, but it's a very safe airspace. ARLENE MURRAY This announcement is not in response to the union's press conference. This is an announcement we'd b... ARLENE MURRAY They worked through the night to install the antenna. ARLENE MURRAY The program office has been working on this for the past several months. ARLENE MURRAY It is scheduled to take effect. ARLENE MURRAY This is very rare. Occasionally, about two or three times a year, we get calls about smaller pieces ... ARLENE MURRAY The air traffic operation continues to run smoothly, even though we are experiencing delays in the s... ARLENE MURRAY A flock of geese can cause the problem, but this seems to be recurring. It's not a common problem. W... ARLENE MURRAY We basically slowed the system down a little bit until we can correct the problem. ARLENE MURRAY It's a bit of a crapshoot out there with young writers right now anyway. GEORGE MURRAY Shortly after I turned 13, Child Welfare took me into care. I was sent to a residential centre where... LIZ MURRAY BILL MURRAY I really hate being recognised. I'm quite a shy person, and I'm not very good at talking to ... HANNAH MURRAY MURRAY ROTHBARD MURRAY BARTLETT The trend of all knowledge at the present is to specialize, but archaeology has in it all the qualit... MARGARET MURRAY Getting married is great, and I feel really good away from the court, and my private life and stuff ... ANDY MURRAY BILL MURRAY MURRAY ROTHBARD The juke joint, the honky tonk, and the ballroom also represent one more thing, anthropologically sp... ALBERT MURRAY BILL MURRAY Eight minutes past the hour here in Belgium - and presumably eight minutes past the hour everywhere ... MURRAY WALKER BILL MURRAY If I had a magic wand, I would live in a building in New York, big enough so my friends, my family c... LIZ MURRAY Turns out you have a really fun time if you go to work every day and focus on being silly and funny ... HANNAH MURRAY BILL MURRAY BILL MURRAY MURRAY ROTHBARD You might not think that's cricket, and it's not, it's motor racing. MURRAY WALKER You can cut the tension with a cricket stump. MURRAY WALKER We were sitting there watching the coffin being nailed shut, and what was inside was imagination and... BRUCE MURRAY You cannot deny someone a job based on media reports. BRUCE MURRAY I'm very happy to have him here. There are checks and balances in place, BRUCE MURRAY I was obviously aware of the problems that have erupted. We chatted about these issues, BRUCE MURRAY Once completed, it (China's monitoring and evaluation system) will be one of the most extensive func... BRUCE MURRAY This is the best venture I've ever gone into, when it comes to actually getting something out of a p... BRUCE MURRAY He's honestly the best person I think I know. As an NBA player and someone that's lasted that long, ... BRUCE MURRAY We are all serious about our sports, but we are more serious about making sure the kids have good li... BRUCE MURRAY One of the best things about running the camp is to be able to have small teams. There's a lot of on... BRUCE MURRAY (But) I had no concerns about his competency in the areas of surgical pathology. He's fit in quite n... BRUCE MURRAY I have just one black and white photograph left of my mother when she was younger. She was 17 when i... LIZ MURRAY MURRAY ROTHBARD Effective stream-of-consciousness narration is the product of verbal precision, not just of literal ... ALBERT MURRAY I don't know if it was too much sun or whether the players took it for granted. BRYAN MURRAY I don't know if it was too much sun or whether the players took it for granted. We know we're not go... BRYAN MURRAY We hung tough, played real hard and, gradually, got one back, then dragged it into overtime. It was ... BRYAN MURRAY Bryan played very hard tonight, very well. He was moving the puck and he was very responsible. They ... BRYAN MURRAY The commentary afterward pointed it out to the league. It wouldn't have been a focal point, BRYAN MURRAY We played for the first five minutes in the first [period]. Then we were careless, we were casual an... BRYAN MURRAY As of right now, he's planning on playing the rest of the games this week, then we'll look and see w... BRYAN MURRAY The penalty kill for the most part has been really good. Special teams in this league, including you... BRYAN MURRAY There's no question - our best players have to match their best players. That's what happens on hock... BRYAN MURRAY Washington came out hard today and played very forcible, aggressive and really chased the puck. BRYAN MURRAY We identified (global warming) as a big source of uncertainty. There's a lack of data and a lot of u... BRIAN MURRAY He never really seemed to take off as decisively as he has this year. We can put in a lot more desig... BRIAN MURRAY She's a tough kid -- probably the majority of kids wouldn't have been able to play with the level of... BRIAN MURRAY The state is the owner. They will be responsible (for the cleanup) before the town takes over, ... W... BRIAN MURRAY [With prompting from Hayworth and Arizona Rep. John Shadegg, the House Committee on Homeland Securit... BRIAN MURRAY [Congress is also stirring the pot. When funding questions were raised with the DHS,] initially, the... BRIAN MURRAY All the fields have been plowed in the United States. If you want to enter new markets, you have to ... BRIAN MURRAY It's too soon for that. But that's something we have in our agenda for the first half of next year. BRIAN MURRAY He's unbelievable. He jumps up and comes down with it. He's not super fast but he's fast enough. BRIAN MURRAY It's a nice coincidence. It provides a nice campus atmosphere. Parents, teachers and administrators ... BRIAN MURRAY Obviously a club that struggles as badly as this one on the field for points there is going to be sp... BOB MURRAY I don't know if this is a true measurement. We scored 45 points against a team that I think was in t... BOB MURRAY I think they're doing whatever it takes for them to make a case for declaring impasse in hopes that ... BOB MURRAY Last year, we started a JV program and separated the JV from the varsity, ... I was able to concentr... BOB MURRAY I guess the more common approach has been, if they feel a guy has come in and isn't properly conditi... BOB MURRAY As chairman, I take responsibility for what has proven to be an unsuccessful and heartbreaking seaso... BOB MURRAY Sunderland supporters have been incredibly tolerant and supportive in the last few months, which hav... BOB MURRAY The club did not return to the Premiership just to make up the numbers and whilst we fully expected ... BOB MURRAY I think the first half is an indication of what we could be, BOB MURRAY Just to get physicians who want to practice in rural areas -- it's not an easy task. We're all facin... BOB MURRAY BILL MURRAY BILL MURRAY BILL MURRAY BILL MURRAY
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