So as other people poach our people, we have to poach other people because we want to have an economy that works well.

I've been round Japan, Hong Kong, Korea, and China in the last few months and the message that I've been taking is that New Zealand is building an up market dynamic into a connected economy. And that we are not the old-fashioned, ship mutton kind of product the people associate their export in work.

People are optimistic about the future.

Well, we don't think for a moment that either the U.S. or Australia are out to damage the New Zealand economy, but if there were a sustained period in which they had a free-trade agreement and New Zealand didn't have that same arrangement with the States, that could be both trade- and investment-distorting.

The economy is going to be benign. It's not going to be weak but kind of blah,

The average American person controls the economy and it all comes down to discretionary income.