That's huge. After years of IT doesn't matter, IT doesn't matter, it must matter because people who are trying to grow are investing in it.

That's what keeps me out there trying to be perfect. Because I feel people still haven't seen the best of what Mark Roman can bring to their team on defense.

Think of it as five thousand people trying to get through your front door at once. It's going to be slow.

We've been trying to get applications out, but everything has been rejected because of his record. I would go with him to talk with some of these managers to just be a support for him.

We've actually had angry people in our face while we're trying top put up the tree yelling about how they don't want it there.

We're trying to build a record. We are anticipating a challenge to what Congress might do.