That's what we've been hanging our hat on the last couple years. We're not fancy; everybody knows and we've just got to play hard-nosed football.

We had a couple of times when our guys could have squeezed off shots when they chose not to. We've got to work our way out of this and gain our confidence back.

We don't see any turnaround. We're not at a bottom, and it's going to take a couple [of] quarters, ... From that perspective, we think Cisco's guidance was right on.

It's not fancy, it's just good,

You have to tip your hat to Roger Clemens, ... He came in throwing the way he did, on a couple of days rest. He did a remarkable job.

A hat not much the worse for wear.