The propane market is definitely growing.

That is a tough, tough business.

They're very dedicated to us, and we're very dedicated to them.

I think that leaning would be toward electric companies. It ebbs and flows.

It's just a matter of going out and executing and making plays. If we do that, I feel confident we can win.

Even in making objects, as soon as you start to get the feeling that some form of craft is coming into place, you realize that everything is wrong. Because craft is really just a fetish. It is wasted energy. It's about the object, some space which has nothing to do with the human.