There is no record of what he did at the meeting. He met with the chief negotiators for the enemy. He had no right to do that as a private citizen. He had no right to do it as a naval officer,

After that first meeting, I then met again with Mark Llewellyn and Sam Chisholm (chief executive).

and Howell insists, ''He's the most straightforward, no BS guy I've ever met.

What has become clear to you since we last met ?

You couldn't keep a record. You couldn't keep any minutes, you know. You'd have a meeting at, say, my house today. And the next week or two, you'd have it at his house. And the next one, at some other place, not the same place all the time. And that's the way you had to keep those folks from knowing where you was having your meetings.

This meeting is especially important as the committee had not met since 1987.