They have a nice home improvement niche. They believe they can co-exist with the giants and they're doing it.

We believe that being positioned in the SSL VPN visionary quadrant is a testament to the core capabilities of Citrix and recognition of the strategic market position that Citrix is taking in this high growth market.

Journalists used to believe they have this halo around them. It doesn't exist anymore.

It is nice. Unless we really screw up at the Metro the worst we could get is a co and that would be with Brandon.

I don't think it's a niche; I think it's a massive category that's been underserved.

I've only beaten Clifton once before, and to beat them like that was really nice.