They're becoming more interactive. There's different amenities, like the telephone game where you can talk through a tube. There's climbing structures within playgrounds. They're just constantly improving in the existing designs.

We found it works the best.

In order to make it look new and fit into the community, we renovate it. Also, equipment is changing so we want to replace it.

When you turn on the tube you see him hitting six 3s in a game, so you know he can shoot the ball. And this was just one of those nights when he caught fire.

And so the idea was, well maybe you can take an Atari video game machine, where people plug in a game cartridge, and plug in a modem, and tie that into a telephone, and essentially turn that game in the machine into an interactive terminal.

[Edwards] said we can't talk because their karma is so bad I might catch it over the telephone. I've gotten a little advice from him, but he tells his wife, who tells my wife, who tells me.