To speak about notation as the only way that you can guarantee structure of course is already very suspect.

If I think about the way I was drawn into the music, it was much more by recordings than by live performances.

Those early steps are very important in understanding the evolution. But in themselves, maybe now you need the later records to understand the significance of the earlier records!

You know, the whole philosophy of ad hoc combinations has its strengths and its weaknesses.

So in the sense that we were all dealing with that freer approach, yes, it was certainly one of the first contacts, perhaps the first contact, when Peter came that summer. So it's a very pivotal moment that is documented there.

We know there were some refrigerant lines that were within the structure of the trailer itself. We suspect that a couple of explosions may have been by that.