We expect the leaders to interview people. We want to make sure the people who are signed up are qualified to go.

Rod travels really light and is very ingenious and inventive making everything ultra light. Kim is pretty much a traditionalist at gear, and very good at showing how to pack.

He doesn't like backpacking because he likes to shower every day.

The leaders are holding people to these results,

There are no warlike people, just warlike leaders.

People underestimate the degree to which having leaders who can get along makes a big difference. But there aren't any huge expectations that somehow relations between Germany and the United States will be transformed overnight or approach anything like the way they were before the Cold War ended.