We think it's incredibly misguided.

I think it's a really tired cliche and argument to use the environment versus the economy.

Counting hatchery fish the same as wild fish not only does not pass scientific muster, it would be a huge setback to efforts of citizens across the Northwest and California who are really trying to recover salmon.

Business visitors, tourists, students - in the context of New York all those are sizable streams of people. The city has 60,000 hotel rooms, and with an average occupancy of 80 percent, that's 40 to 50,000 people right there.

Lower-paid jobs in the suburbs increasingly are being taken by people in the city who can't afford to live in the suburbs.

Why hasn't the end come? Land gets recycled.