We're going to eliminate 3,000 management positions, as we've always said, and those are not going to necessarily be layoffs,

This is another sign of an entrenched management willing to destroy the value of assets in order to keep their jobs.

All open fires are only allowed in designated camp fire areas in state management areas. Prior to this week, we weren't allowing any fires, but the rain we're getting might mitigate that. I don't foresee a long term ban in the management areas. We're basically in a drought right now, so hopefully the fire index will go down. The ground needs to be wet enough so fires don't get out of control.

Nynex has had an ongoing volunteer retirement program and some folks may slide over to those positions as people accept the buyouts.

(General manager) Don Waddell is trying to minimize the differences between us, but the difference is sizable.

I'm sure Ilya's going to want to have representation there, but I have no objection to that. It would probably be good for Don to see the reality of what's over there.