We're in the very early stages of both understanding the technologies and trying to understand from our customers' perspective what they would like to see.

The point is to get it right, not necessarily to get it done early.

We came out really flat and they got a quick early lead on us. They're just kind of relentless. They don't let the ball hit the ground. They play some good team volleyball.

There were a lot of headaches during the early stages of the program.

They now have a completely different perspective of what is possible. Now that they have an understanding of what it takes to be the best, we set our sights on being more competitive at that level.

This looks interesting stuff, but it's very, very early stages.