We're just not seeing the demand pickup we'd like to see, and we hit a wall on some of the cost savings we were driving for.

What we're seeing now doesn't happen every winter, but it certainly is not out of the normal realm of occurrences. The last few winters have been fairly quiet.

We're not going to come out and hit our heads against a brick wall if something is not going to work. We really caught them off guard because they weren't expecting all the passes. We jumped out on them early and that's what you have to do on the road.

What you're seeing is a little bit of an economic stall, maybe in the fourth quarter and the first quarter.

We hit a wall,

Don't think of Europe as having not been a good quarter. Think of it as being a little down and us having made a very aggressive forecast.