we're pushing 5 million acres.

We've set aside tens of millions of acres of those northwestern forests for perpetuity. The unemployment rate has gone not up, but down. The economy has gone up.

If you put it into context of the over 20 million acres of Forest Service land, it is not that much. But every acre is precious.

Someone has said $1 million, but no one knows. But five to six acres of oysters is a lot of oysters. It all depends on how many people will be fishing out there, too, and what the prices are.

I grew up in the West, grew up on the land, was educated as a geologist.

Well, it's not a pleasant experience. And it's a terribly political process, because that thing was initiated by the Congress and by, you know, our adversaries in the Congress.