We've seen a decline in formality.

It's something we knew, it was just a formality.

We got a bigger-than-expected decline because offshore production is still down by more than 50 percent and imports were down. The shock of Katrina is still being felt.

In general, I don't like formality at all.

They have been doing a lot of learning since they got here ? the formality of the sports and how to interact with teammates and learn the game itself. It's a tremendous job to absorb all these things and try to do them on a daily basis.

We outplayed them and it was the biggest 1-1 hammering I have seen.