We've turned our back on that sort of writing. Bands with great first albums always release a second album about touring, and that's just embarrassing.

I like double albums, ... And this was kind of a double album. And with double albums, sometimes you say, 'Well this is a whole lot to process.' But then you listen to it again and you start to develop favorites and it gets a character all its own. And then you think maybe you see this movie later on TV and you start to think, 'Well, you know what? I get it. That all these themes are supposed to be part of a bigger simpler theme.'

We thought second or third, would be a great day [for Porter] and it turned out to be a pretty good one. The kid works hard.

Quite frankly, I'm a little bit bored with fucking mass-marketed, auto-tuned, hellacious music. I still find the rock and roll album can be an amazing thing. It seems to me we've become a very cultish band, and the people that like us feel an emotional connection and feel like they know us, and I think that's high praise.

We want to offer something slightly different � music that comes from inside people.

When I make albums, I do a lot of songwriting but not necessarily a whole album,