When mining is down, we've seen the cycles that forestry has a tendency to be stable. It's rare that both are down. So we try to hedge our bets to be two companies in one by servicing those two diverse markets.

He's one of those guys that hates to miss a shot more than any player I've ever seen. When he misses one, his response is 'That's it for me'. We want to get him out of that.

When the uranium mining boom crashed in the '80s, it really crashed and there wasn't much cleanup.

We believe it's from the mine tailings from the mining operations, because we haven't seen that level of arsenic in paint-sludge samples.

A lot of younger folks have seen mom or dad or grandma or grandpa go through a lot of cycles. We go through ups and now is a great time to be in the industry. The '80s were not a great time to be in the industry. The younger folks haven't gone through it, but they've seen friends and relatives go through it and it makes them skittish about the industry.

It was rare, ... We've not seen that from him really all year. He couldn't find (the strike zone), and I think the leg had something to do with it, although he said it really wasn't bothering him. He never did get comfortable from what I could see.