When we made that album with Gary Moore, I was still kind of searching for the right direction for myself. Although the music is quite good the direction was like a box of fireworks that caught light all at the same time.

The music map, the Vera Project — all of these are steps in the right direction in making the statement that Seattle is a place that has great art, and music is one of those forms of art, ... If the Vera Project is doing well, that means good things for Sub Pop, because those are kids who will want to be musicians or work at Sub Pop.

It's a lot better than we have gotten for a long time. It's definitely going in the right direction. We had years when we had zero increase.

It's not something I expected from AOL, but it's the right direction at the right time.

Eli, he's progressing. You can see flashes. He's definitely going in the right direction.

It still doesn't bring equity, but it's a step in the right direction.