When you actually get down to the brass tacks of who's going to get paid, then it becomes competitive.

Let's get down to brass tacks. How much for the ape?

When it comes down to the real brass tacks, it really reflects not so much hardcore analysis as the best political and military judgment of the secretary and the senior Pentagon folks. Searching for the ways in which the gearbox is connected to the engine isn't easy.

It's an emerging market that's been exploited by smaller-sized companies until now. When a market gets to a certain size, Cisco gets interested.

We are very competitive, actually; we did much better than others,

If you want a rule of thumb, 40 percent of the cost of putting in a new application is integrating it with the other applications.