With a contempt threat hanging over their head, the Forest Service did the best they could do, ... Who knew the judge was going to make new law and regulations from the bench?

It was very difficult to do, but you knew in the back of your head that you had to do it, that you couldn't tell anybody,

The Northwest Forest Plan was a one-size-fits-all approach. But an ecosystem in Southern Oregon is much different than a forest in Northern Washington. Here we have an opportunity to use local knowledge and local input that really reflects the needs of the environment there.

We would have sued the Forest Service if the Forest Service had tried to approve it on a Categorical Exclusion.

We've just got this demon hanging over our head, and it's a zero.

It's getting to a point where, I'm just hanging my head. I don't know how to respond to it.