With an interim dean, it's a challenge. You're always better off with stable leadership, but the interim dean has done a wonderful job. He's handled his position well and we're all comfortable working with him.

I thought I did as good a job as I could the first time.

I felt the interview went well and that I was a good candidate for the position, but in all fairness it was his decision.

[The most challenging sailing was in the Southern Ocean. But the leadership challenge was comparatively easy.] It was muck and bullets -- battleground leadership, ... These guys were hanging on by their fingernails. As long as I was technically competent, leading was pretty straightforward.

Leadership cannot just go along to get along. Leadership must meet the moral challenge of the day.

There's no point him mounting a leadership challenge that he's going to lose. He has no choice but to wait until Howard decides to go.