With Ruben, that was an aberration. Maybe we got a little lucky there.

Maybe they'll take off if everything is just right. Most of the time, they don't ... We've been lucky because in Arizona our climatic conditions, our soils are so different and so extreme that not many things that are tropical are going to be able to survive here.

Napster is not an aberration.

I think it's an aberration.

This did take a lot longer than what we had anticipated, ... We never really found that common ground. Usually, you find that common ground at some point the first couple weeks. We didn't really find anything that we agreed upon for quite some time. That created the long holdout.

We put all the cards out on the table. When we got Chris Chandler, Chris knew he came in to back up Jim Miller. He knew that; he understood it.