You could line up 100 people against the wall and shoot them all, but is that necessarily torture?

By their nature, refugees don't have documentation. We don't necessarily expect them to have documentation. A lot of it is just based on interviews and experts knowing the veracity of the information. If you're someone who participated in the atrocity, it's a pretty easy sell to cast yourself as a victim of the atrocity.

We're just scratching the surface.

People were screaming and wanted to jump.

There was smoke, and people were screaming and wanted to jump. When we came out there was nothing left in the entry hall.

It's great to be able to know that you can go deep on your bench if people get in foul trouble or get tired or are having an off night.