You have to win from the point of not having the hammer a lot, against the best teams and that's pretty tough to do. You're going to be one or two down at the start, that's a pretty big deficit against the best teams.

As hot as Trevor was, we're still an inside-out team. We're not going to win a three-point contest.

It's about who the best hammer is.

It's been 10 years since the split, and you're not going to repair that overnight. But we've got good teams and good partners and the spirit of willingness and cooperation, which is great.

[This win] felt good because we felt like we let one slip away in Utah. We did what we needed to do to make shots in the fourth. We didn't score a bucket in the fourth over there, and today we had a bucket within the first 15 seconds.

Not everybody can go out there and swing a hammer.